tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post6804520609630318059..comments2023-12-11T08:10:41.077+00:00Comments on Mark Dredge - Beer: A Real Ale Lager?Mark Dredgehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-85483647575197688112011-05-12T18:14:56.765+01:002011-05-12T18:14:56.765+01:00wow - thats...interesting!wow - thats...interesting!Leighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05512660051158275112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-36390081069762672252011-05-12T13:56:48.274+01:002011-05-12T13:56:48.274+01:00Forgetting whether it's 'real ale' or ...Forgetting whether it's 'real ale' or not, it's a pretty average drink: <a href="http://www.theormskirkbaron.com/2010/10/laverstoke-park-lager.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.theormskirkbaron.com/2010/10/laverstoke-park-lager.html</a><br /><br />I also heard that it's actually brewed by Hepworth using Laverstoke Farm produce, at least that's what RateBeer thinks...Baron Ormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16440684094621860149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-80060021173042997562011-05-11T16:54:55.549+01:002011-05-11T16:54:55.549+01:00As Pete pointed out, it conforms to CAMRA's de...As Pete pointed out, it conforms to CAMRA's definition of real ale. That definition was never designed to include beers of foreign origin, so does not make any particular prescription about the type of yeast. <br /><br />There is far too much emphasis put on whether something is fermented with S. cerevisiae or S. bayanus (or whatever its newest name is) in my view. The ingredients, the strain of yeast, the water and the fermentation regime make much more difference. <br /><br />FWIW There are no German ales except the new-fangled IPAs being made by small brewers (and the odd large one) there.Barmhttp://refreshingbeer.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-53044383434673171342011-05-11T12:02:21.110+01:002011-05-11T12:02:21.110+01:00I know, Dave, I'm only being facetious :)
It...I know, Dave, I'm only being facetious :) <br /><br />It is an interesting thought though, how lines are increasingly being blurred. Although I do think that the distinction between lager and ale through the different yeasts is relevant - just because it means 'to store' shouldn't bear upon what it is now, in my opinion, and a lager is the yeast. Meanings change and become new things. Lager is its own name now, not just an inherited attribute or translation of a historical term.<br /><br />The beer doesn't, however, say what type or style of lager it is, which is just like calling something 'beer' or 'ale'. Is it pilsner, helles, bock, what?Mark Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-27234069136593660522011-05-11T11:21:26.722+01:002011-05-11T11:21:26.722+01:00I didn't say "just" beer.
I think t...I didn't say "just" beer.<br /><br />I think the term "lager" is a nonsense name used by marketing people when they needed to differentiate flabby old fashioned beer from new fashionable continental beer. Beer "experts" have been hung up on it ever since.<br /><br />The yeast strain, which is generally used to differentiate in modern brewing, I believe is becoming far too diverse to pigeon hole into two single groups.<br /><br />The only other way you can define lager, and far more accurately in my mind, is to define it by the maturation time, in which case most good beers are "lager" and most not-so-good ones are not.<br /><br />Call it "lager" if you like, and yes, there is absolutely no reason why a "lager" shouldn't be "real".<br /><br />Does it taste like "lager"? if so, then it's "lager".<br /><br />Does a cheese toasty taste like a cheese toasty? If so then it is a cheese toasty.<br /><br />In general terms, for the mass consumer, lager is cold, pale, low hopped and fizzy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-20501905882156039772011-05-11T10:22:18.068+01:002011-05-11T10:22:18.068+01:00"CAMRA says this is real ale"
Tim says ..."CAMRA says this is real ale"<br /><br />Tim says it's beer. Just drink it and get pissed.Timhttp://fromthepip.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-63931435120173102522011-05-11T09:25:07.065+01:002011-05-11T09:25:07.065+01:00Mark,
You're missing the real controversy abo...Mark,<br /><br />You're missing the real controversy about this beer, which is that Laverstoke Park Organic Lager and Laverstoke Park Organic Ale from That Hampshire appear to be the only beers available at James "Ey-oop ah'm from Yorksher, lass" Martin's new Leeds restaurant "The Leeds Kitchen".<br /><br />http://www.theleedskitchen.co.uk/the-menu/<br /><br />"Martin continued: 'Being a Yorkshireman, it’s not hard to understand why the produce is so good in the area and we are going to use it to maximum effect on the menu.'"<br /><br />http://www.leedsguide.co.uk/review/news/the-leeds-kitchen-by-james-martin-now-open/18215 <br /><br />NickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-32904232839281890932011-05-11T08:42:33.254+01:002011-05-11T08:42:33.254+01:00Mark, Ghost - You can lager an ale and German ales...Mark, Ghost - You can lager an ale and German ales are lagered, but is this beer a lager?!<br /><br />Dave - It's never JUST beer in the same way that a sandwich is never just a sandwich! What's it made with, what are the ingredients like, is it toasted, warm or cold, what type of bread, etc, etc...Mark Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-29784425290301181692011-05-11T08:13:18.434+01:002011-05-11T08:13:18.434+01:00Ale? real? lager? phoney? bottle conditioned? chil...Ale? real? lager? phoney? bottle conditioned? chill filtered carbonated and then a tad of yeast reseeded to fool you?<br /><br />It's BEER.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11319272987951077205noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-53677743402104931932011-05-11T07:35:33.524+01:002011-05-11T07:35:33.524+01:00Add a bit of stubble to the person on that label a...Add a bit of stubble to the person on that label and you have a monkey. I'm suing for image rights...Mark, Real-Ale-Reviews.comhttp://real-ale-reviews.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-79446082816977218202011-05-11T06:32:43.036+01:002011-05-11T06:32:43.036+01:00"Anyone got any ideas?!"
Yes. You need ..."Anyone got any ideas?!"<br /><br />Yes. You need to swot up on definitions. You'll be asking what craft is next. Or I will. (-;Tandlemanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06804499573827044693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-30527454303344103712011-05-11T05:16:36.076+01:002011-05-11T05:16:36.076+01:00It’s beer’s equivalent of a vegetarian sausage..It’s beer’s equivalent of a vegetarian sausage..Adrian Tierney-Joneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05421802854011395300noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-56973568461020518052011-05-11T02:35:47.990+01:002011-05-11T02:35:47.990+01:00Lager just comes from the German word "to sto...Lager just comes from the German word "to store" So I guess you still could lager an ale even if it wasn't stored how the term originally meant it too. Am I right that many German ales were still lagered?Ghost Drinkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00753576955816756710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-43628203217038061132011-05-10T23:06:11.566+01:002011-05-10T23:06:11.566+01:00What Pete said. Another funny thing is that a &quo...What Pete said. Another funny thing is that a "Real Ale" can be an ale, i.e. not a lager, but can still be lagered. :PMarkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09280318504737098116noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-11238034011864469842011-05-10T22:51:16.462+01:002011-05-10T22:51:16.462+01:00Ah, ok Pete, thanks for that. Interesting.Ah, ok Pete, thanks for that. Interesting.Mark Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-91716099867635630992011-05-10T22:44:05.845+01:002011-05-10T22:44:05.845+01:00There's no reason a lager can't be a "...There's no reason a lager can't be a "real ale" under CAMRA's definition, ie "a beer which undergoes secondary fermentation in the vessel from which it is served".<br /><br />The distinction between "ale" and "lager" is nebulous and ill-defined, and it depends entirely upon which definitions of the two words you use whether or not they're compatible.Pete Greennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-43951747410375841372011-05-10T22:34:11.712+01:002011-05-10T22:34:11.712+01:00Lol - busted!Lol - busted!Mark Dredgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11421095862178324693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8717216232742676074.post-18807277965164966382011-05-10T22:24:09.428+01:002011-05-10T22:24:09.428+01:00all i want to know is....did you draw that label t...all i want to know is....did you draw that label then just stick the camra sticker on?BeerReviewsAndyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13549567405003804994noreply@blogger.com